day. i grew up in the washington, dc area. so just to get a few days at home either with my family, got to go to the white house with my family and a few friends it was a really special day and just to be surrounded by so many inspiring people i just walked the way dealing more inspired to represent our country, more inspired to continue on trying to help other people. and i think that's something that i want to carry with me beyond beyond the sport. i'm not done so name i'm so i'm going to be competing after after paris, maybe through la there's still a lot ahead of me, and a lot that i want to accomplish in and out of the pool. so i take it day by day, but that was a very special day and ranks right up there with with any gold medal la 2028 will see katie ledecky. it's so great to have you on good luck in all your training. thank you for being here thank you. thank you

all so much for joining us. cnn newsnight with abby phillip starts right now a counterpunch as the president races to save his campaign. >> that's tonight on newsnight good evening. i'm abby philip in new york and i want to get right to it tonight in just a few moments, the head of the congressional black caucus will join me live on his group's critical meeting with the president. just a short time ago but here is the backdrop that we face as a country, the president is now defiant. he's launching an all-out offensive as conversations in time and so far among democrats about replacing him over conversations about questions about his mental fitness now, today alone, he called into a

morning show. he sent a letter to house democrats. he spoke with his donors. he chatted with black lawmakers. and biden's message is that he's not going anywhere he says that he's fine. there's nothing to see here. and he continues to insist that he is the only one who can beat donald trump. he's even daring democrats to challenge him at the convention. but what is interesting about how this is playing out are the sides in this fight? he's getting support from progressives these are the very same people who preferred someone else in the last democratic primary, alexandria ocasio-cortez. she says phase, she's all in. did oh, for ayanna pressley, who says democrats have lost the plot here even ilhan omar, who says it is vital that biden is reelected did but the ones who aren't so sure are the moderates. these are biden's go-to people in the halls of his old stomping ground senator mark warner says biden needs to

do more to be more aggressive patty murray says, biden must consider his legacy in the steps that are ahead. brian schatz says, there should be an open debate the vulnerable jon tester, he's essentially saying, don't tell me, show me. and so far, it's a tough go for biden and his white house just moments ago, the white house released a letter from the president's doctor trying to put to bad a press conference dust up over why a parkinson's expert was on the white house grounds eight times in a span of eight months basically, the letter says that there is nothing to see here in those visits and that the president did not see a neurologist outside of his normal annual physical. the white house would not i'd say that earlier this afternoon during a press briefing that became incredibly combative with reporters has the president been treated for parkinson's know, is he being treated for parkinson's know? he's not. is he taking medication for parkinson's

know, i'm not going to confirm a specialist any specialists that comes to come it comes to the way i am not sharing confirming names from here it is a security reasons i am not going to do that. ed. it doesn't matter how hard you push me. it doesn't matter how angry you get with i'm not going to confirm a name. it doesn't matter if it's even in the log. i am not going to do that from here. i am telling you that he has seen i'll just three times while he has been in this presidency. that's what i'm saying for more on this letter. >> that just came out moments ago, i'm joined by cnn's senior white house correspondent, mj lee, mj. that briefing today was fireworks and the question that a face the press secretary karine jean-pierre, is did the president see this doctor? she couldn't say yes or no. now we have this letter from the president's primary physician about what this neurologists was doing on the white house grounds? >> that's right abby, this is a new letter that the white

house just released from the president's doctor, dr. kevin o'connor answering a question that the white house press secretary would not answer at today's briefing, dr. o'connor saying in this letter, quote, president biden has not seen a neurologist outside of his annual physical and as this letter explains, abby the president, as a part of his annual physical sees a team of specialists and doctors, including a doctor, kevin cantered, who is a neurological specialist. but again, as dr. o'connor saying in this letter that the president has not seen this specialist or any other neurologists outside of his annual physical his last physical remember was back in february. and at the time dr. o'connor had said, in summary that the president did go through an extremely detailed neurologic exam and there were no findings consistent with disorders like a stroke or multiples chlorosis or parkinson's. but abbe, just to remind everyone the reason that

there's been such a focus on this specialist is because according to white house visitors logs, we were able to confirm that this doctor, dr. kanner, had come to the white house multiple times over the course of the last year including earlier this year to meet with the president's doctor. so key question had been whether this neurologists was visiting the white house to examine or consult about president biden's health. and we finally have that clarity from the president's doctor. now, i have to tell you the white house would have known going into today's press briefing that this was certainly going to be a line of questioning that it was going to receive a could have had this answer prepared. and frankly saved itself an entire new cycle of questions. but again, there we have it. the president's doctor saying in this new letter, the president has not seen a neurologist

outside of his annual physical mj, you raise an important point. i mean, the story has been floating around for some time. those visitors records are out there. it is a little surprising that the white house would wait until it becomes a firestorm to release what seems to be pretty basic information about what this neurological specialist was doing there, mj. thank you for joining us on all of that. i want to get straight to cnn's medical analyst dr. jonathan reiner. he is a professor of medicine at george washington university. dr. reiner what do you make of this explanation? both in the letter that was released from the white house tonight and also just how we even got here, why they couldn't simply say that dr. canard was there to consult about all the other hundreds of military service members who support the white house on a daily basis right? it shows how i think defensive the white

house has become about the health of the president we? know that the president has been seen by iran were just presumably, dr. canard but certainly not definitely at least once this year because dr. o'connor described the visit in his annual i'll report in february, in which he basically stated that they did not think the president evidence of parkinson's disease. but this whole story over the last day about parkinson's disease is kind of a distraction in one way, but it's also emblematic of a perception that there's a lack of transparency in the white house. as it pertains to the president's health and i think the best way for the white house to move forward and, you know, create some trust perhaps with the public and the press are perhaps about the health of the president would be just a

basically have a press conference with some of the medical staff. let the reporters with the president's permission asked questions to his health care providers, and just move on i mean, this is this is a presidential election. but yet we're focusing on the president's health rather than on the policy. it's gigantic distraction. so based on what we have heard so far, these explanations, what's been and this medical report, the denials do you think that this is case closed on the core question, which is that are there things that we still need to know about president biden's neurological condition. >> are you satisfied with what you've heard so far? >> no the note today from dr. o'connor? basically just states that the president is only seen an expert on movement disorders once, once this year. it doesn't really do anything to at any kind of clarity to

the question of whether or not whether or not the president has had any kind of progressive cognitive decline over the last several months. so the parkinson's and the cognitive decline you know they can be interrelated, but they don't have to be and so in other words, a patient can can have parkinson's disease and also have some cognitive decline as a result of that process. but cognitive decline entities like alzheimer's, dementia can occur certainly without parkinson. so i think the parkinson's is just a distraction. >> do you think that he should at this point have some other kind of evaluation? to answer some of those questions raised so if a patient came to the office and in fact, i've had a patient come to the office after open heart surgery

complaining that he was having trouble focusing during lectures that he gave he is accustomed to giving very high-powered, very nuanced talks, and he was having trouble crafting those kinds of lectures and i sent him for a full set of you know, neurocognitive testing and that's the kind of situation when you do that, when a patient notes some sort of change in their pattern of functioning and one can argue that what was witnessed by the country ten days ago does constitute sort of a constellation of symptoms that would be worthy of at least some kind of evaluation and again it's one thing for sort of a random patient to suggest that to me it's another thing entirely for the current president and candidate for another term of presidency of the united states to

demonstrate symptoms like that certainly should be evaluated in a formal setting at least once and then put that to rest. all right. dr. jonathan reiner, thank you very much for joining us on that breaking news. >> my pleasure. >> thanks and joining me now for an exclusive cnn interview tonight is congressman steve horsford. >> he's the chair of the congressional black caucus who just met with president biden earlier tonight. congressman, thank you for joining us. what was president biden's message to you tonight at the cbc meeting? >> thank you for having me on abby and first it was necessary and appropriate for the president to address members of the congressional black caucus. we have 60 members, the largest in our history. we represent a third of the u.s. population collectively. more than 120 million americans since summer, 20 million black americans and the president was clear that he is in this race to win. we have one objective and that is to

win because it's about a choice between the chaos and extremism of donald trump. and republicans in congress? versus stability and experience with president biden and vice president harris. and democrats who are focused on lifting up the american people, protecting our freedoms, our rights, and our opportunities. that would be eroded under a second term of donald trump so my understanding, based on the reporting from our team on the hill is that there were really no there was no pushback. there were no questions about the president and the concerns about his health why is that? are there no members in the cbc who are concerned about whether president biden physically can carry out the duties of the presidency for another four years. >> what people are most concerned about right now is the fact that it was president biden and democrats in congress that capped the cost of insulin that helped expand health care

for people on the affordable care act that donald trump wants to roll back what people are focused on is the ability that we need to make sure our constituents can afford to pay the rent at the first of the month. they're more concerned about their own performance and not the performance of of he presidential candidate in the last debate. clearly, this president is fit to serve. he has been fighting for the american people. i know more than 14 million americans have already voted for him, including those in my state of nevada we need to honor and respect the will of the voters who have selected him as our democratic nominee. >> you just heard dr. reiner say that he thinks there are still questions that are unanswered. do you think that president biden should take a neurological exam if only to address these concerns not just of members on capitol hill are donors, but concerns that

actual voters have well, again, i'm not actually heard that concern from voters. >> what i've heard is there concern about the affordability of housing and the fact that corporate landlords are buying and up 30% i apologize, congressman, just to be clear, okay. >> what i'm referring to is there's a lot of polling out there, though recent one after the debate showing more than 70% of voters think that president biden is not demonstrating the capacity to be president. 56% of democrats say that they would be better or off with another nominee. those are the concerns that i'm talking about that are showing up in the numbers that are affecting his approval rating. >> what i find interesting is that issue is more around ageism, ableism, and not what this president, president biden has done. his age didn't keep him from lifting 50% of children out and of poverty, his age did not prevent him

from passing a bipartisan infrastructure law. his age didn't prevent him from passing the bipartisan safer communities act in order to keep our community safe from gun violence. it is his experience and his civility because he actually cares about the american people. while donald trump only cares about himself or the billionaires and big corporations that he wants to give tax cuts to. he's now his now new tax proposal would cost the american people $5 trillion. how are we supposed to pay for that? he will come after seniors, their social security and medicare. we cannot let that happen. and that's the choice in this upcoming election. >> i and i hear you certainly about the choice between president biden and donald trump. however, voters have been hearing that argument from the president, from you and your colleagues on capitol hill, and they still say that this issue the issue that most concerns them about president

biden is actually his stamina and his fitness to do the job. and on top of that, there is a concern among your colleagues that if president biden doesn't completely changed the trajectory of the race, which right now he is losing to donald trump. that could wipe out vulnerable democrats in house races and senate races. are you concerned about the down-ballot effect of all of this? absolutely. i'm a frontline i remember in a battleground state of nevada, i've been a frontline member for the last three cycles. i know how tough it is to run. and win in difficult races, but that is why i've talked to the president directly about the need to focus on economic progress on the issues that actually will help drive economic participation full economic participation to help close the racial wealth gap in this country do ownership in housing and entrepreneurship helping our young people have the skills to compete in the 21st century economy and put particularly with ai and all of the new automated he shouldn't,

that's happening in our economy. these are the issues that matter, and this president is fit and prepared to continue to serve his civil and he's experienced that the opposite side offers us nothing but chaos and extremism. and we cannot allow that to happen. another, hear what you think about this because congressman jim clyburn, i know he spoke tonight at the meeting, but he's also said recently that that he would be open to some kind of mini primary should president biden decide to step aside for whatever reason. >> but he he also said that he thinks it would be unfair to hopscotch over the vice president kamala harris do you agree with that? do you think that vice president harris would really be the only acceptable choice to replace president biden if he decided to pass the torch in this super clear, president biden is our nominee, the vice president, kamala harris is his running

mate. they are the team that will ensure that we move america forward and there will be no other nominee then president biden do you think that president biden needs to do more in unscripted settings in settings where people can see what he can do without the benefit of nodes, without the benefit of teleprompters. >> to show americans that he can actually communicate because i mean, the communication part of this congressman is not an ancillary part of the presidency. that's that's part of the leadership, part of being president of the united states. you're absolutely right, abby, and i've seen the president in my district in nevada talk and relate directly to constituents about their concerns. and i'm looking forward to having him back in nevada to have those conversations with hospitality workers with nurses, with seniors, with young people who are concerned about student loan forgiveness and so many other important issues. and the more that the president does

that, i am competent not only will we win a second term of a biden-harris administration, but we will elect a democratic majority in the house led by hakeem jeffries as our speaker, to ensure that on day one, we are ready to advance an agenda for the next four years. this is not only about what we've done, but it's what we will do donald trump, it will be more extremism. it will be tax cuts for the very wealthy ultra wealthy, and big corporations. he only cares about himself. he wants to take away a woman's right to make her own healthcare decisions about her body. they want to eliminate protections for civil rights and diversity, equity and inclusion. we're not going back to the days where women don't have full protections or people of color are not fully included in the workplace. we're moving forward. that's what we get with the biden harris administration. and democrats in control of the congress because we put people first not

donald trump, who puts himself first. >> congressman steven horsford. thank you very much for joining us tonight. appreciate it. >> thank you, abby and just in donald trump revealing his thoughts on the calls to oust president biden and who he thinks he'll ultimately faced in november plus, are critics underestimating support from democrats for biden. >> we've got new numbers from harry enten to paint a surprising picture. this is newsnight july 21, a special how would really happen to lantos olympic celebration deadly, the fbi searched for answers and all the wrong places standard being remembered as a hero, he is remembered as either a victim for a guy they got away with what he didn't do. it who did how it really happened the atlantic the unlimited bombing premieres july 21st at nine on

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on fox, trump was asked directly about whether or not joe biden should quit the race. >> do you mr. president, do you want joe biden to step aside? do you care well, we prepared for him, but i don't think it's going to matter. notice he didn't say yes. but when he was proud it a little further by sean hannity about who he thinks will actually be on the ballot opposite him in november. this was his answer i think that it will be her. i think they are very concerned about the vote if it's not her, they are very, very m&as gun shy. they don't want to do it any other way i've i've actually come to believe that's what they're going to do let's discuss this. >> we've got contributing editor for the national review, reihan salam, former national coalitions director for the biden-harris 2020 campaign. ashley allison and co-host of the serious trouble podcast, josh barrow. ashley, he wants

to run against kamala harris yeah. i mean, i think we have seen the republican party do this thing and this trope of kamala harris, where they will dangle debate and i think i saw a post the other day talking about she could be a dei candidate. they think that they can row their base around this dislike for black women and really use her as a target to get their base energized. i think that is a misstep attacking a black woman in that way is not smart. you see her polling is going up more and more this is donald trump just saying like, i think i can win right now, and actually more so than i've ever seen donald trump in his entire professional career. and definitely political career. i think he is trying to stay as disciplined as possible right now and not make any news because right now the story is and it has been for some long time that the dimmer across are trying to figure their stuff

out or for a long time when during the republican party it was republicans attacking one another and even attacking donald trump i mean, i think that's totally true. he's been trying to recede into the background even kind of holding back on attacking president biden. i mean, do you think that he would prefer biden on the ballot at this point? >> absolutely. absolutely. i mean, we all saw that debate, right biden is not in a position to run an effective campaign for the next four months. if i'm donald trump, i'm really afraid that joe biden will get out. i mean, a theme through the four years of this administration has been in the kamala harris is polling had been worse than the president's going through. you would have a poll with a horse race with trump and biden and then one with trump in harris and harris would run worse. i don't think that's true anymore. i think it's clear now from what polling we've seen after the, after the debates that the democrats will be stronger if they replace biden, whether with harris or with a different candidate. i think in a way it would be the

best possible introduction of kamala harris as the candidate for democrats. because attention would be drawn to her contrast with joe biden. there's all this focus on joe biden is old and declining. and the first first thing people would see and think about kamala harris says she's young, she's energetic. she seems like she's inappropriate age to be president. it's a good comparison with biden and it's also good comparison with trump and so i think, you know, i think at this point it's clear that she's a better candidate. and so if i were trump, i would be very much hoping the biden stays in. >> let me play this this is an ad that's just out from pro trump group and it's using the debate to really make a case against biden and the democrats generally joe biden's debate with joe, i really don't know what he said at the end of their sense. i don't think he knows what he said either eye told you before i'm happy to play golf let's not act like children, but there's one thing joe biden did get, right? >> we finally beat medicare. well, he's right. he did beat

medicare, beat it to death that is going to live on, i mean, it's not just in the minds of the 50 million people who watched it, but in those ads, and i mean, you heard the interview that we just did with the chair of the cbc. >> there is a desire to just sort of say this will just get wiped away, but will it? >> there's a larger conversation unfolding right now about who knew about the president's state of mind. when did they know it, and how open an honest were they with the american people about it? i actually agree with my fellow panelists that if kamala harris were to come in she would be able to wipe the slate clean. she would be able to make it a different race that would be great. however, kamala harris is someone who has defended championed celebrated joe biden's mental acuity. and i think that the argument could be made by donald trump and by his allies that wait a second. she's someone who is very much part of the problem the real issue with the biden presidency, the real line of attack that's been most potent is this idea that, hey joe biden might be relatively moderate. he might be

relatively pragmatic, but is he actually in charge of his administration? and what we've been hearing out of the white house, a ton of reporting, not just about the events of the past two weeks, but about the events of the past six months is of a small clannish group around the president that's been causing him protecting him. and kamala harris, did she know what she aware? she what was her role in all look, i mean, her job as the vice president is not to throw her boss literally not been raised. i do. look i mean i do wonder for the republicans highlighting and attacking joe biden i mean, it seems to only encourage democrats to do exactly what reihan is suggesting or do you think that this is case closed joe biden is really dug in and there's really not going anywhere i can only take the president at his word and he is saying he is staying on the ticket. and so he is on the ticket. my focus is beating donald trump if it

is joe biden, i think we have to fight very, very hard to ensure that donald trump does not become the president coming out of memorial day. i was telling everyone things are about to i get crazy because you know what, it's a general election. we didn't have a traditional general election in 2020 because it was covid, this is what happens in campaigns. people run attack ads against one another. yeah, one thing i would just push back on is that i have not been interacting with the president whatsoever i know the people that work at this white house and i find that want to be truthful people. this thinking that there is some conspiracy going on in the white house. i think is not accurate because there is no proof. yes, we saw a bad debate, but all of us have bad night. i am not willing to jump down on this conspiracy theory that there's this whole debate or the 2000 political appointees or lying to the american public to protect joe biden. we don't have proof of that, and i'm taking the president at his emily do have a lot of luck. and to your point, some of this is not on

the record, but there are a lot of people voicing concerns about the way that they've seen the president operating recently. josh, this the way that president biden is defending himself right now, which is to say, it's meet or nothing is that going to work for the american people? it's trump trump-style threat. he's pointing a gun at the head of the party and saying he'll shoot if he doesn't get his way. this is what trump has done to republicans over and over for nine years. and we've laughed at them, this ridiculous position. they've gotten themselves in where their party has been hijacked and the person leading it is doing things that are harmful to there are electoral interests. and how do they allow this to happen to them? and now it's happening to us the president, he's out there, he's not made a convincing case that he's with it enough to run an effective campaign. i don't think he's sold people on that with george stephanopoulos interview. i don't think he's been effective incentive and that message, i don't think trump is bad, is not an effective message for that because trump will still be bad if camila or somebody else is the nominee. the only thing that he's done that's looked effective over the last week-and-a-half, is this implicit threat basically

saying, i'm not going anywhere. and if you keep talking about how i'm too old and clearly declined and not the right person to be the candidate. that's only going to hurt all of us in november. its a threat. he's basically saying, if you try to take me down, i'm going to take the whole ship down with me. i it's i find it outrageous acres. can they make a credible argument to take voters out of the picture at this point, just pick someone else i don't think they can and i think that joe biden is going to make that extremely painful and he's not alone in being someone who's going to make that extremely painful. >> he needs to any fulsome way, decide on his terms that he wants to step aside. i also think from the perspective of democrats waiting in the wings, i hate to sound cynical, but there are a lot of them who will be thinking, hey, look, if there's a trump presidency, 2026, those midterms will look great. 2028, you'll have an open shot if you're someone who is other than kamala harris, i said that the other part of the argument is is that a second trump term would be the end of american democracy. i'm not sure that they can afford that lawsuit is how

cynical are these folks yes. >> that is the central question i suppose at this point, everyone. thank you very much for being here with us up next is biden stands defiant against these calls to step down, we're going to speak with two democrats who say they have a plan to bring the party together around. a new candidate and fast, it involves taylor swift of all people. that's next i love cnn is live from milwaukee as republicans unite behind their nominee, his vp their plan to take back the white house, follow cnn for complete coverage. >> the republican national convention starts next monday at 8:00 on cnn milia turn off alarm amelia, whether reason sent amelia unlocked the door. i'm afraid i can't do that why not? did you forget something? >> i protein shake the future isn't scary not investing in

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pro chasing life with dr. sanjay gupta. >> listen wherever you get your podcasts what could the search for a new democratic presidential candidate look like if president biden decides to step down from the race, well, my next guests are two influential democrats who wrote a memo to donors and officials

with a detailed plan for that exact scenario. they are calling it the quote, blitz primary and delegates in that scenario would narrow down the interested candidates and in the lead up to the dnc, the top five to eight candidates would participate in a series of town halls moderated by celebrities like oprah or taylor swift. and delegates would then rank their choices with a winner announced at the convention now they argue in this memo, our current crisis is a gift. if we choose to take it. joining me now are the authors of that memo, democratic donor and venture capitalists, ted defender smith, also with us georgetown university law professor rosen brooks. she served in the clinton and obama administrations and was a volunteer policy adviser for biden's 2020 campaign rosa, in your memo, you write that this proposal is entirely contingent on president biden stepping down soon he has made it pretty clear that that isn't happening. and so what now? >> i don't know that that's

the final answer, abby, i mean, this is something politicians do, right? they test the waters, they throw something out. they then sometimes end up contradicting themselves a few days later. i think it's too early to conclude that biden himself has definitively decided that he's staying in. i think he's waiting to see how strong the opposition is within and his own party. and i suspect that within his own party, members of congress are waiting for the next batch of polls to come out so an important part of this proposal that is the suspense factor. you say the process is going to build interests that leads up to the convention. the party wouldn't even know who the candidate is until the convention in mid august. that seems to leave exactly no time for democrats to coalesce around one person who's going to lead them to victory presumptively in november well, there will be, a shortage of coalition around a winning candidate. so if we were to do something and designate a new

nominee, i there'll be an outpouring of support donations, people knocking on doors. i think the macro point here is that people are desperately hungry for, a change in the equation we have a campaign with two candidates both way too old to do the job. one, a criminal, one in articulate, we of course will support the inarticulate candidate over the criminal. but this process, this whole debate aftermath we just stood back and looked at, said that everybody is debating, which is the least bad option and i think there's a real opportunity here if we choose to pursue an it really as joe biden's decision to showcase a deep bench of talent that has a future perspective young dynamic up and coming talent. they can paint a picture of a better future. i think that's why our proposals resonated so so substantially. it bags people to imagine what could be, and people just say sadly, oh, my gosh, why aren't we doing that well, okay. >> rosa, i mean what could be

part of this? i think maybe appealing when people are sending it around to their friends online. i also think part of the memo mentions having celebrities like oprah taylor swift, michelle obama, whole host town halls that also seems somewhat fantastical. so i mean, it's some of this just out of an era i mean. if you want, to do a fundraiser for your favorite charity, you don't ask wolf blitzer to be your headline. are right, you see if you can going to sell tickets. plenty of people at no offense to flip their headliner fundraisers, but go ahead. >> i mean, look i like wolf blitzer too, but but let's face it, this party is struggling and politics in general were struggling to get the attention of a younger generation of voters. >> i think that anything that shines a spotlight on the fact, as ted said, there's a deep bench of fantastic potential

can and that is the democratic party and they include people who ranged from kamala harris, gretchen whitmer raphael warnock gavin newsom. we could go on there are lots of people out there. anything that helps get people to tune in and listen to them would be fantastic. and my to taylor swiftie fanatical daughters, so they'll kill me for saying this. care about taylor swift doesn't you have to be hurt? could be. there are lots of people who could do it, but i think the fundamental point here is that as ted said, this is an opportunity that if biden will step aside, pass the torch, bless and orderly process to come up with a successor. we could do it in a way that would be suspenseful, that would pull people in, that would make people think, wow oh, this is really interesting and exciting, rather than doing what they're doing right now, which is thinking, oh my god, we are doomed and that's what we don't want. we don't have to have that i mean, the latest polling for president biden, i absolutely admire president biden. i worked on his 2020 campaign. i think he's been a very good president, but the polling is just devastating.

saying to all of us, i am the only person i'm the best person, the only person who can beat donald trump. that's just manifestly aren't true. if you look at the polls he's he is making people sort of clutch their heads into despair. we can do better. >> so to add last word to you here, president biden today basically called this conversation one of elites been is basically saying that a plan like this is just chatter among elites like you. what do you say to that flatter to be called an elite, nobody else's called me that. >> but but i want to go back to what you said before is that we talked to people about this initially, they do say fantastic nicole. and then when they think about it, they come back and say, no, no, no, fantastic. and it's biden's opportunity, it's his decision. i think he could go down in history right alongside george washington he could do what he said he was going to do, which is to be a bridge to the next generation. and he could push the party and the country to do so much more than

we do today and move past a really dismal dispiriting set of discussions where we are locked in on whose past is worse than whose past and whose golf game is worse. i mean, it's it's there the country's hungry for a proposal that pushes us to think ahead instead of quibble about the past and the stakes couldn't be higher. so we're hoping that the joe and jill biden are watching this. they call us tomorrow. is they tell us more? oh my gosh, i could be a hero they won't do that. it's probably not going to happen, but boy, it's it's heartbreaking that we don't look at this seriously. >> all right. ted gender smith, rows of brock's. thank you both very much for joining us tonight thank and as joe biden, right when he says that he's got the democratic support to win, harry enten has some surprising numbers for us. he'll have that next i love

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again, the clear majority of democratic voters say that joe biden should stay in this race. and i wanted to look back at a little bit of history, right? of other incumbents who actually quit the presidential race. alright, so let's take a look at choice for nominee when incumbents quit, 1952, harry s. truman, quick look at that. he was getting just 31% of the vote in potential democratic primary against s this cuff offer who is in fact leading that race with 35% of the vote happened in 1968, lyndon baines johnson quit that race. look at this. he was trailing with just 41% of the vote. rfk sr. is getting 44% of vote at this point, the majority of democrats want joe biden to stay in the race. and when we look past back to the past when incumbents quit in fact, a majority of democrats were not for them. in fact, the plurality were voting for different candidates. happy cuff offer does not ring a bell for me. sorry. harry, what about the history of incumbents dropping out really late in a campaign? does that even happen? yeah. so again, look back to history in this particular case, you know?

well, harry s. truman, lyndon baines johnson, when they dropped out, there was 100 114 days when harry s. truman dropped out, there was 148 days when lyndon baines johnson dropped out. look at how many days there are now. there are just 42 days until the democratic national convention. there is nothing like this in history with either harry s truman and lyndon baines johnson. this is very it's very different. of course the thing i will note democratic primary electorate is one thing, but in terms of the general election, look at this point, donald trump is ahead by three points. that's very different than what we saw. on either early july of 2020 or even biden's worst polling position 2020. fact is joe biden maybe liked by democrats, but with voter over, voters overall, abby he is not well liked all right, harry enten, that's the final word on that. >> thank you very much. thank you. i want analyst says, the white house made a blunder, was vice president kamala harris. hear why and whether she will be ready to be the next president that's next i voted

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eliana, thank you for joining us. so what did they having me, abby, what did the white house fail to do in your view to actually prepare vice president harris for this moment? >> i think it's helpful to try to envision a counterfactual and a situation like this. so when i first started covering vice president harris, i was really influenced by the writings of jeffrey franke, who covered extensively the relationship between eisenhower and nixon and what he's sort of laid out, i think really effectively is that eisenhower who was pretty disturbed by truman's on preparedness after fdr's death to come into the office of the presidency decided that he would give nixon essentially a crash course in the presidency pretty early on in their administration so what did he do? he sent richard nixon and pat nixon off on in asia and middle east tour for 68 days, which immediately kind of allowed the media to classify

him as a diplomat and training somebody who was getting to know world leaders what did joe biden do? he immediately hands kamala harris for her first assignment fixing the conditions such as poverty and violence that lead migrants to flee north to america from countries like guatemala to begin with. you're left with what is the benchmark of success for something like that? the reality is, you wouldn't know ten to 15 years but i'm as kamala harris fixing i'll south el salvador in her vice presidency. i don't think so. i don't think anybody was interesting. also, you point out that her supporters were a little miffed all right. how she's been praised for how she responded to president biden afterward. real quick. i am. why why are they upset that she's being praised now? >> because what they saw on television giving interviews on